45 Biblically Supported Reasons Organized Religion is Over, Part 2

[music] [music] Dear friend, if you want to feel better, don't let the devil make you toss this letter. If you've been crossed off by hoodoo, voodoo, the wizard or the loser, you got family trouble, man trouble, woman trouble, no life through the rubble. [music] You're looking for a true friend or a true lover. or if you were living undercover. Well, I'm coming to your town to break it all down and help you with all of this. I'm looking to help you find bliss one day or one way. Can't miss. I'm here to tear all the walls down. Doesn't matter if it's a large town or a small town. Just like Joshua and the fabled walls of Jericho, I'm here to tear down the institution. But you must tell seven friends. You must first bring seven friends. And don't be selfish and keep this all to yourself. And don't eat selfish. Hate is trying to take someone else's love for yourself. But I'm here to tell you that love is trying to help someone else. You need to see me right away so I can fix this up. You need to see me right away. You need to see me right away so I can fix this sock. You need to see me right [music] about now. And if you are suffering a street sickness or someone is blocking up all of your success, you need to see me right away [music] so I can fix this. I'm sincerely yours and faith, love, and peace. your friendship. >> Hello. >> Hi. >> Welcome. Welcome. >> We love old Jack White, don't we? >> Yes. Hope you like that intro. Sets the tone. Uh this is Heart of the Matter Epiphany. >> Yep. >> Episode nine. >> Getting along. >> Yes. Um, and it's a continuation of the 45 biblically supported reasons organized religion is over. >> Yeah. We hope you'll listen to last week for the first 11 and then we're going to do the next 11 in a few minutes. >> Yeah. All right. So, this past week we had another engagement with a group called Ratio Christy. Rashio Christie. I think it's probably offensive that I say that wrong. Um, let's review some things that the audience doesn't realize about these meetings. You all that watched it, maybe you aren't fully clued into our intentions. So, let's review it. >> Well, let me ask you and put you on the spot. >> What did you think? Because you've seen and been part of several of these, but >> still each one brings something that is kind of unfortunate to us. >> Yeah, >> it's hard. >> It's extremely hard. Um, I've been at them live every time in person. First thing to say is the group changes every single time drastically. Like the we get to be in touch with how fast the youth are changing. >> Yeah. >> Um, and long story short, this this group in particular, it was overwhelming. They were almost Mormon in their appearance, mannerisms, like long prairie dress, sweater, modest, very, very polite, >> super happy, >> super friendly, >> almost I don't want to say it, but culty. It was weird. I was thrown off, but so your banter at the start was really wellreceived. >> Yeah. And then you get into the meat of it with that same fervor, but about religion and it was just, you guys might not have been able to see it cuz the camera froze a few times, but it was >> just like so offended and so and it was rude. They were being rude the way that they were responding to the point where one person says, "Is this loving Sean the way you are?" So >> ignoring ignoring the fact that >> Yeshua used in deep inquisitive questions that sounded very attacking on people >> and he did everything out of love. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And please clarify like >> there's this weird irony perceived in like you calling out people for being people that call out others. Yeah. >> So do you want to explain that? Well, it's almost like how do, for instance, how would a police officer instruct gang members how wrong it is to go in and attack other people? They have to get the gang members to think and they have to be strong with them because the gang members think they're all down. >> The gang member is not going to listen to a police telling. Yeah. So, the cop has to use the techniques the cop knows, which sound intrusive and everything else non-loving >> to get the gang member to realize that they are off. >> That's the kind of thing that's going on here. Because if I just talk to them like you guys just be nice and it doesn't mean anything and it doesn't register any kind of emotion within them to remember what was said. >> Yeah. It's the whole like tolerating intolerance thing. Like >> we have people who are not tolerant sitting in front of us >> and how do you get them to become to like do we have to tolerate their intolerance or like do you have to let a serial killer run around and kill people or do you kill them when you have a choice? [laughter] >> It's so difficult you can't imagine. And the thing that I discovered is that the tone of the voice >> is more an indicator for them as whether you're being loving. >> Oh yeah. >> Versus really what was the content of the message, what was being said was far more unloving to their senses, but they didn't even catch that. So someone who's been doing this their entire life is has sacrificed every single part of your life for this like sits in front of a group for free, feeds them, gives them food, spends all your energy as an older man talking to them, and they think that is less loving than them looking at a Mormon and being like, "You're going to hell." Yeah. >> Which someone did more or less did to you afterward just came up and said, "You're so dark." Like, >> and if there's anything that is more like Satan than someone accusing you of being dark, I don't know what to say. Like, it was a horrible feeling after. >> And I said to the kid, "I'm not my heart is not dark. You're just looking at a performance." >> And he said, "No, I can see it in you. Yeah, >> the anger brother. I am worried about your stance before God >> and that was fascinating. >> Yeah, it was very hard for me. I struggled with it after >> Delaney stepped up and actually voiced her opinion and it changed the tenor of the whole thing. I am really working on myself on how to do this. She is helping me see that we it's just a very You have to consider that they are apologists. We had the kid, one of the kids on the front row sat down and said, "I'll debate you right now." That was the thing that came out of his same kid that said, "You're being unloving." >> Yeah. Same kid being unloving. >> They There's something really weird with this generation where they were all so okay with debating, debate, debate, debate, debate, debate forever because that's what social media is like. >> We don't like that. We're like not trying to do we want to relate with them earnestly and like have a productive conversation. They >> So we think they're being like p like um difficult I guess and and they think we're being difficult and for very different reasons. >> Yeah. >> You I thought did a wonderful job. I thought it was so articulate. I think there are times I don't think you need to work on your delivery. I think there are a couple times where it might get personal. Like there was a moment where he called someone a coward and that's like a name calling. Like I get where you're coming from. >> She told me not that I should work on that and I agree. But to me, if you don't call a coward a coward, >> he'll never know he's a coward. >> Yeah, I'm on of your opinion. I'm just trying to think through like >> I appate >> what where there are times where it's like if that thing didn't happen maybe it wouldn't have been pushed into this like >> they I don't know where fuel I don't know >> this is important because >> we are learning as we go you know what else I'm seeing is that you talked about how quick the groups change I literally think they talk about concepts and when each new group comes like they didn't even bat an eye as who was the Bible Bible written to >> they said to to them it was written to them but it's for us and I said no it's not and no one even no one even stepped against that where the first groups they went ballistic on the importance of the Bible. Well, yeah. I think I think there's a lot on the internet now. I think like we're becoming like there's almost nothing that anyone hasn't heard and seen at this point. Wow. >> But it's >> making it valid. That's hard to do. Like anyone can say anything. There's a conspiracy theory for every single thing that's ever happened in history. So I think we're getting to that point where these kids are really caught up on the perspectives but not the work behind those perspectives and what actually validates. So the yeah it's changed really fast that the shock value of a piece of information. But there were people that were like I've never heard this before. Yeah, there were we had four or five who actually changed their ideas and that represented about 20% of the whole audience and I so I'm just kind of asking is 20% I think 20% is a really good return return on investment >> huge >> and then the the seeds planted in the other kids and there were some who were ambiguous and there were some who were outright against me who let us know >> but it was really fascinating you know and and in the one instance not to belabor this too long but the one instance where um we said what's the word of God >> and all almost all the hands said it's the Bible and we said no it's not and then one of them said prove that to us so we did and I saw the lights go on like three or four faces >> because they have they were standing on tradition the Bible's the word of God and when we showed them from the text that that is not how the writer of Hebrews actually defines the Bible I saw lights So on >> it was I that was why it was really jarring to have many of the comments afterward even from the head of it himself um to me that uh because I in the middle of it thought it was such a great it was one of the most articulate uh conversations that you've had with these groups >> that we took you took a different strategy than you ever have and I thought it worked really well and more points sunk in faster this time than they ever have. And yet there was such more darkness after it than I've ever felt. So >> yeah, it was really it's it's a war. It's a war going on against tradition and the spirit of the risen Christ and people who are bringing us to love, to unity, and peace. So keep watching. That's what's going on with us, by the way. Oh, go ahead. >> Oh, you can watch it on the Heart of the Matter YouTube channel. Sorry. Go ahead. Um, I am old. I have a young educated uh I have young educated daughters. But this one, I learned something from her that I think anybody probably everybody should listen to when it comes to understanding something about the tools we offer you. >> Yeshu.faith and the app. I just learned this and this will make so much sense to you. So, please, if you have trouble understanding, listen to how Delaney is going to explain this to you. >> This is uh if you're maybe if you're not technologically savvy or if you're over maybe 40 years old, this will be helpful for you. Um there is a website that is our website and it's yeshuan.faith. When you type in Yeshuan.faith faith in the internet. That takes you to our website. That website has all the information about our organization. It's as if you go to ucla.com or.edu, whatever the website for UCLA is, and you learn about the school UCLA. Yesuins.faith is the website that tells you about what we do. It does not have the content of what we do on it. Just like UCLA doesn't have a course on the website for you to take. You have to enroll and go to that school and take the course. Oh, >> it's so important. I didn't know this. >> He we So the school uh and the analogy for us is our app that is available. You can access that app through the computer, through your phone, you can download it all. There's all these different ways to access it. The app itself has the actual content that the website Yeshuan's.faith describes >> like the UCLA website. We have courses in religion and philosophy and medicine. Yeah. >> This is our goal. This is our uh uh approach. Yeah. Like that. So that is a distinction. The app is hosted at the website app Yeshuan's.faith. >> Wow. >> So, you don't necessarily need to know that. If you go to Yeshuan's.faith and you read through it, it will guide you through to eventually click a link that takes you to the app and various different >> ways you can download it. So, what was happening with us is I would say, Delaney, I I I try to look this up on my app and I'm not finding it. and we had a disconnect because we're both busy and she tells me something and I don't really hear it >> and it just took us to sit down and talk about and then she explained to me, "Dad, this is how it works." >> So that's why every almost every page on the Yeshuan.faith website says, >> "Do you want the app?" >> You read all the stuff. Would you like to go to the app? Would you like to take the course? Would you like to get the books? Etc., etc. >> Yeah. >> So well done. Freaking that site is amazing. Take 15 minutes of your life and go through the yeseshuins. Faith app >> website. >> It's okay. >> Just the website and then you will be inspired perhaps to then download the app to your device. >> Right. And and that yeah soft faith website explains in a lot of considered detail what we're doing here. and they we're doing something really um intentional and it describes it there. The app itself has forums, it has social groups, it has courses, books, shows, messaging, all sorts of things that you can do uh with other people that are also signed up on it. The website is just an information like a manual. And so from now on, I am never personally going to recommend getting the app because it confuses. No, it I know it's everywhere. It confuses everybody 40 and above >> really. We We get the app and we think we're looking at everything. >> The the best thing I'm going to always say is go to yeshuan.faith and look at everything we're about and if you're inclined get the >> Yes. Yes. Okay. Yes. >> Got that down? That was for the old fogies. [laughter] Delaney, put us in 40 and above. Uh, and we'll take that, >> I would say. I don't I don't know. There's people my age and younger that also don't understand, but it's it's generally more understood by someone my age. >> Okay. I think you're right. Now, last week we embarked on u you know 45 reasons the we can show you that brickandmortar church is over. And the first 11 uh were covered the past 2,000 years. And I'm just going to cover what the past 2,000 years of religion has been. It's been traditional, objective, organized, denominational. It's been religious. It's the Catholics and the Anglicans and the Lutherans and the Protestants and Mormons. All expressions in facilities, brick andmortar facilities, very lawdriven. Even though we're in the age of grace, they all still operate on law. They're masculine. They're material. They're doctrally objective. They have practical demands. They have religious authoriti that they claim allows them to teach these doctrines and practices. their primary collective and participative join up be a member blah blah blah uh and then that they they have public worship of song and prayers people go to the worship and we we suggest that they are static and unmovable in their respective buildings and that they are in the end truly when you look at it from a spiritual sense I'm not talking like literally in intention but in the spiritual sense They are idolatrous because they all insert priesthoods and altars and authority and the Bible and rights and rituals demands of allegiance between them the individual and God and we call that idolatry. Okay. So this this uh evening we are going to go through the next 11 and Delaney is going to cover uh the the what has been and then I'll try to address what is now and then you can ask questions or we can banter back and forth. Okay. So, in the past 2,000 years, uh it was the the Bible and or human authority was primary. >> Yeah. And there was a reason for that. Old testament to the bride in Yeshua's day was the scripture. It was what they would resort to that prophesied of him. So, the Bible, Old Testament in that day was very important. And then authority was uh important because the prophets got their authority and it was passed down and all that stuff through right tribes. And then Yeshua, he gave authority to his 12 apostles, 11 apostles in the end. And so authority and how to govern the bride and the old testament church was vital and necessary. So you read about that and it looks like authority is still necessary. There's no authority. We believe that the spirit is primary in the world today and has been ever since Christ took his bride. >> He rescued that small group in 70 AD from being destroyed. And as evidenced by what happened at Pentecost, that spirit is what governs. And when we use that with like the kids last week, um we said, "What's the what's the way you determine the truth?" And they said a couple of them the Bible. >> And we said who interprets the Bible. >> And you know and they would say some of them I think maybe and said the spirit. >> That's our point >> is that and then someone said well then what do you do when there's a disagreement? Well we look and realize that there are babes in the faith. They're children. They're teens. They're adults. And we're all at different places but the spirit's fruit is love. >> Yeah. It's a weird thing because they'll say the Bible is how you know. What did you say? How you know what's right? >> Yeah. That's your They have this standard that is given by men. I I never knew it cuz I didn't learn it. Like it is the standard of faith by which we test all it's some phrase they always use >> and uh but it doesn't work. Well, they'll say because I've heard this a lot growing up as a evangelical as well that it the spirit is how you know, but there's no they don't have a definition for what the spirit is, right? >> And if they did, they would be saying what we're saying, which is it's in you. It's only individual and it's by love. Yeah. But because that's the only way that the spirit could but really what they're saying is a some sort of person authority translator commentator whatever a theologian is actually how you understand the spirit to understand the Bible. That's what they're saying. >> Stuck a man or a woman in between God again. >> Yeah. Like the spirit is not there. Yeah. I don't know what the what any Christian thinks the spirit is doing. >> I don't know either. Yeah, I don't know either. But you know what they say, and this is the thing that happens especially with Mormons. >> Well, if you just go by the spirit, you're just going to be a Mormon and you're going to start believing in in rocks and hats and books and all kinds of things >> because there's a very specific definition of the fruit of the spirit. >> That's right. What is it? >> Patience, kindness, longsuffering, >> love. Yeah. I don't it I don't know why like I was so resistant to the spirit as a Christian like it it it does it goes along those lines of like >> where what is >> untrustworthy >> right but the spirit of Christ that's the spirit if it's his spirit it will never lead you to do believe anything he did not do or believe >> well ever yeah exactly and it's very clearly defined like they're acting like there's no way to know what the spirit is. It's like there's a very clear definition >> and it's biblically based and but from the mouth of Paul and Yeshua and it's right there. >> Yeah. >> So, but they want to think that the spirit means >> I saw God and he's a goat and you can follow that and that is the spirit will never lead you astray is how we put it and will always lead you to selfless sacrificial unconditional love. Number two. >> All right. Must. But in the past 2,000 years, people must do believe and accept and embrace demands to be forgiven. >> We faced that on uh Sunday. >> We had some them repeatedly say, "When I sin, I go to God. I ask to be forgiven, and because I do that, he forgives me." Mhm. >> And uh you know all people from the Yeshua perspective because of the finished work of Christ have been forgiven of all sin. Ready? That's outside of their control of free will. Okay. Free will is the determining sin that you are responsible for entirely or not. >> What are nonfree will sins? Well, we couldn't spend three hours and describe them all. We have genetic defects. We have environmental defects. We have parents that messed us up. We have school teachers who harmed our delicate uh ways. We have society. There are so many factors to who we are as individuals that caused us to sin. >> Yeah. God took care of those factors because they're all present because of the fall. >> Yeah. They we cannot help them. not going to punish us for not being able to help them, >> right? Like, and and that's why we have such a liberal stance on every sexual deviency. I mean, I remember my dad telling me that he had a fetish for leather belts because when he was a kid, he was at a moment of some sort of excitation and his mo his dad's leather belt fell from something on the bed and it was coincided with his moment and then he had this attraction for leather belts. >> Wow. >> We are so jacked in terms of how we're programmed. God knew that. [screaming] >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And and did all the work. Like it's not like it's always been that >> these sins were covered, but there was a nation of Israel and there was a hell and there was Christ and there [snorts] was a sacrifice and then the wrath poured out and now it's different >> by sacrifice of the one who overcame all the fleshly temptations passed down to humanity through Adam. It's it's such a perfect schematic on what God has done and yet we still want to beat each other other up for the weaknesses we have in our flesh. That said though, we all still choose. >> That's the hard part. Well, I can't choose rightly cuz I you know this. No, God removes all of it. You still have the ability to decide I want to seek him or not. that. But that's the the change that we're articulating is what we have the ability to decide. >> Yeah. >> That Christians get way wrong. Like >> where the uh locust of free will is in us is very different from our perspective than others. >> Very different. And so what uh Delaney is saying is that we believe that once everything has been taken into account and dismissed off the table of our failures in our flesh like Paul said, "Oh wret wretched man that I am uh who will deliver me from this bondage." He says, "I thank God Jesus Christ our Lord. So with my mind I will serve the law of God." That means from the heart your own choice but with the flesh. Paul said as an apostle, I serve the law of sin. You know, and religion wants to monitor the law of quote. >> That's a quote >> with my flesh. I serve the law of >> Paul as an apostle. I spoke this at a Lutheran church and the pastors had a conclave where they spent an afternoon fighting with each other about my uh situation. What I said, it's right there. He said, "Therefore, with my mind I serve, and with my flesh the law of sin." >> Wow. >> Can you believe that? >> That is a big one. >> Big one. >> Where is that? >> It's in Romans chapter 7. >> Wow. >> Yeah, >> that is a big one. >> Okay. So, uh what's the next the past 2,000 years give us, Delaney? >> Satan remains in power, continues to take souls from hell forever more. >> To hell. Oh, >> I don't think he's [laughter] taking many from one word makes a difference. [laughter] So, listen, uh, all the kids, Satan is still in power. Yeah. And and and Christians everywhere. In fact, a lot of non-Christians believe Satan and they still make movies of him and he's still out there, right? So, uh, thus Satan, the dark force embodied by others over time and empowered by the law, has been utterly destroyed by Christ. That's in the Gospels before he even died. He says that it's in Revelation. Absolutely. Satan is over. What makes that difficult for people though? >> Well, I mean, we just experienced it on Sunday. such darkness. It's not like there isn't darkness so >> or evil. >> Is it just that it's not embodied? Is that what it is? >> I think that the the little imp Satan was destroyed. >> But >> I thought that was never a thing. An imp Satan. I thought that was >> there seems to have been some and it transerred over to groups and it authorities but there seems to have been an angel seems to >> that was overcome by his own everything and fell >> and and so there is this idea that's prevalent among Christians. I'm not even saying it's right >> but that guy is gone. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. But go ahead. And who like who is it that talks that tempts Christ? >> Um well a long story. We're going to get right to it to make everybody say, "Okay, we're done with this guy." I believe it was the nation of Israel. >> What? [laughter] >> I said a monkey and orangut. >> I'm kidding. >> Just like the garden. [laughter] >> If you look at the at the Greek, Jesus was running from a little monkey [laughter] in the wilderness. She's saying that because I believe that the tempter in the garden was not a snake but was a nos [laughter] monkey Simeon that had the ability with its lips to speak and everything. >> You didn't come up with that though, did you? >> No, Adam Clark came up with that. >> So, it's not just you inventing things. >> She's clear to point that out because we don't want you to think I'm more of a lunatic. >> No, I It's really valid. But keep going. So the I believe that the embodiment of H Satan in Yeshua's day were the Jews. >> Yeah, >> that makes a lot of sense. But who exactly was talking to Christ in that spirit? Oh, okay. >> Yeah. >> Well, that makes sense. >> Yeah. And it said, "We'll give you all this power." >> I believe it. >> I that >> Yeah. >> I mean, it makes a lot of sense. And that's cross referenced with the book of Revelation where Christ himself calls them of the synagogue of Satan. So, you know, it's not just something we're pulling out of nowhere. All right. >> Yeah. Shoot. >> So, the next one kind of uh >> Satan's still reigning. >> Satan is still reigning. They would say, >> so we say what caused if there was an angel that fell, we say if there was an angel that fell and became the Satan and tempted Adam and Eve, we say what tempted him. >> And similarly, we say uh Eve before she ate of the fruit she wasn't supposed to eat, she decided to eat of the fruit she didn't eat. Before she fell, what tempted her? What was it in her? And we say that is darkness with a capital D. >> And that that has always existed will forever exist in all creations. >> And that's >> like existed like since God has existed. >> Yeah. Because where he is the absence of if he is a presence the absence or non-presence of him is the opposite. >> So we say it's non- good. That's how we categorize the dark. It's a non- good. means it there's nothing good in it. It's dark. It's not light. >> So, we think that thing has a power. We don't know if it's, >> you know, that darkness is a being, but it's a force of death. >> Darkness. That's what And so that's what still reigns on the earth today. Darkness forever will. >> Yeah. >> Okay. The kingdom of God is spiritually here waiting to come to earth. That's what religion has thought for the last 2,000 years. >> Yeah. And so what they're saying is Christ had the victory over the spirit realm, which doesn't make sense if there's a spiritual being named Satan still winning. But nevertheless, they'll say the spirit of God is here within us. Uh but we are all waiting for the material kingdom of God to come to earth. Well, Christ at his return will come. All the world will see him. He'll take his reign on his actual throne in a temple in Jerusalem on the Mount of Olives. And he will reign over the whole earth from that material position. >> And we say that the kingdom of God is entirely and always has been entirely spiritual. It's established in the new Jerusalem above with his pure bride he took in 70 AD. And together as a perfectly matched couple, not unequally yolked, but equal in stature, they bear forth children, spirit children, not literally being born, but on earth in us. When we choose to believe based off what they did, first Christ and his apostles and then the bride who was pure and worthy to come through their tribulation, that they are the she is the mother above us all. He is the king and we are the offspring and that fits the biblical model of marriage and God and us. >> Okay, it's out there but it but it's pretty apparent if you read about it. >> Okay. >> Oh, I think it makes a lot of sense. All right. There's only heaven or hell. A person's either saved or not and reconciled or God to God or not. >> Right. [laughter] >> Did I read it wrong again? >> Yeah, you did. You did that right >> almost. 2 Corinthians 5 says plainly that God was in Christ reconciling past tense the world to himself. >> Okay. >> Past tense or present >> reconcileing >> the world to himself. No reconciled had reconciled past tense the world himself. Yeah. >> Uh though his son uh has left every individual free to choose and believe as they choose. God loves all. So we say that the afterlife picture is better described in Revelation rather than the old school notions of there being a heaven and a hell. >> That's the Christian notion today. There's a heaven, there's a hell, it's one or the other and you're going to go. >> And the reality is Revelation describes the kingdom as being heavenly and outside of it all those who aren't in the kingdom. And we say that's the afterlife picture. I personally, I don't know about Delaney, tend to believe that the further out into the realms that you get in that uh I think that you get into the dark dark realms and I think that probably the last bastion of the darkest realm in that perimeter is probably earth and I think that this place is where those who love their flesh and this life stay and tempt and try >> people with whatever >> like it's more of a great it's more of a a spectrum than it is a you're in or you're out kind of thing. >> It's a spectrum. The only in or out is in the kingdom or not. >> In the inside the gates, >> inside the gates of the new Jerusalem or not. >> And outside is not necessarily a terrible place. It's just the place where those who didn't want God reside. And I that's how we see it. >> It's not burning and not burning. Yeah. >> And there's coming there's a the gates are open. There's a way to go in and out. Is that right? >> Oh yeah. And that's how we describe what's going on there. We asked the group last week, can someone receive God after this life? And the universal response was no, no, no. But why are the gates of that new Jerusalem above open day and night? Is it only for those inside to come out and come in? Or is it also an invitation? Because in Revelation 22, Christ and the bride say, "Come, come, come and drink freely of the water from the tree of life within that kingdom." >> And so, there's an invitation calling. And we believe it it calls here. We believe it calls there. We believe God never gives up on his human creations. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, uh, for the past 2,000 years, to be reconciled to God, a person must do a whole bunch of things. [sighs and gasps] >> You got to repent. You got to have faith. You got to go to church. You got to stay worthy. You, all those things are part of that Old Testament, old model that continues out by tradition. uh but uh you know bottom line to be reconciled to God a cur a person will live by and embrace faith that's what they will do that's how they're reconciled and they will embrace a faith that is supported by love >> so if you find somebody in another country who doesn't know uh Yeshua yet and they have faith in God Yeshua is God with us and they believe in a God and they love selflessly sacrificially and unconditionally. We say they're as much of a Christian Yeshuan as somebody who knows his name and knows what he did and walks around uh ostensibly in the same way. >> That's how liberal we take that. >> Does it mean it wasn't Yeshua? Not all was Yeshua. It was all done by him. But we live in a victorious age of the risen Christ. And that is what we are talking about. >> All right. Um, in the past 2,000 years, a person must know Christ both ontologically and epistemologically. So, both the details of his actual person, his birth, his body, his uh whatever. >> Yeah. >> Onto like the way he fits in with God in the flesh. >> Um, and then epistemologically, which is his uh purpose and >> his spirit, his essence. >> Yeah. And this is the game of uh evangelicals and Mormons and Catholics today is they vet you to see do you know the real Jesus? >> You know, did you know that he died for sin? Did you know that he did this? And do you uh do you know where he lived? Here's the Bible. This is the story. Read this. Read that to convert you. But the fact of the matter is when the spirit is moving in people for the past 2,000 years in Kazakhstan, in Salt Lake City, in San Diego, that spirit is moving people to know spiritually the epistemological Christ in them, the risen Christ, >> which is love, >> which is love. That's the fruit of that epistemological spirit in them. And it leads to that selfless, sacrificial, unconditional love in them irrespective if they know there was a man born of God and live. That's that's important if you really want to know about what God has done and you want to know why it logically and legally and justifiably makes sense. You learn about him. But in this day and age, we don't need denominations telling us what how you have to know his very name, which they don't even use. They say, you know, did you have you said Jesus saved me? How does that even save you? It's not even his name. Let So it's so convoluted and messed up. The reality is it's spiritual. >> Yeah. And we do not draw lines. If someone says, "I'm a Catholic. I'm a Mormon. I'm a Buddhist. And I believe in God. I seek him in faith, her in faith, it in faith, and I try to love because that's what's on my heart." We say you're a >> Yeshua. >> Does that make sense? Yes, 100%. The spirit of God in the past 2,000 years was a conditional relationship predicated on right belief and practice. >> Yeah, that was everything. That's still what the damn Calvinists operate by and what kids in this audience operate by. >> And uh >> so >> I know >> over so old, so ancient. >> Does it feel old and ancient to you? >> Like what are you doing? The spirit of the risen Christ. Listen, it says in the first chapter of John, has been given to all human beings. He's the light that enters all men. This is what the Quakers believe that every single person has the light of Christ in them. We add to that line because Christ has had the victory and taken us spiritually back to the Garden of Eden where we all choose. M >> we suggest that Christ has been given to all all human beings and we he resides in everybody. They don't need to be born from him above sending it because he has come into them and then they choose how to live. That is the meaning of this life. If you don't want him, he's still in you. And when you die, you will not go to that hellish place. You'll go to a heavenly realm outside the kingdom where you have the opportunity to come to him if you hear the call. what that entails. I have no idea. >> I think believing here is really important in the human scope, but I can't tell you why. >> Um, okay. Past 2,000 years, believers uh thought that they were the bride. >> Yeah. We just five months ago, we had a kid sitting here and say, "I'm a I'm the bride." >> You know, uh we are not the bride. Not even close. And we could go all into that. We've done it before. We're not going to now. Um again, the bride was taken, rescued, vetted, tested, tried to the new Jerusalem above in 70 AD. And then after that, God through the Roman armies obliterated all of Judaism >> once and for all. For people to say they're Jews today is not correct. There is no Judaism officially on the earth today. You okay? [laughter] >> She mocks my condition. >> It is hot. >> She mocks my sad. >> I don't mock. I feel sad. >> I got the vitamin C burp. >> Don't take a bunch of vitamins before we record. >> So listen, this idea that the nation of Israel continues on as a literal people with 12 tribes with their genealogy is ridiculous. that whole all those genealogies were burned up. You go over to Israel, every person I know who's been to Israel says it's chaos. >> Everybody's there preaching a different thing. They're in absolute chaos. The Muslims have the Temple Mount. All the sending money to Israel for Israel being Israel is a joke. It's politicized. We are not anti-Semitic. >> Not anti-Semitic. I love the Jewish culture, >> but there is no nation. It's so interesting that just the sheer fact that they don't have the temple mount >> Yeah. >> should suggest something like >> like the amount of human will that has to go into taking it >> to get God's will to happen for them. Like don't you think if it was God's will he would make it happen for them? Like it's so no one looks at the evidence of what actually exists as a sign. >> Christians as well like >> and you know what Christians are doing over here? They're talking about the mythos of they've got a red heer because it's described as prophetically is happening for them and you know all this stuff you know uh and and so we're so pro- Israel because it unites us under a biblical edict which is law-based uh patriarchally based and it keeps the faith as a tool in this world instead of true in this world. >> Right. >> Yeah. I mean it's the same with Christians not looking you you make the point of the evident or the evident existing condition of Christianity is everyone has a different there's a billion denominations all this stuff like >> but yet we still think we have to like figure out the one like why can't we just look at the condition and then go from there >> same thing >> yeah these cycles repeat themselves and there's only one more >> the idea that we are the church Yeah. Uh, we are the children of the bride, Yeshua and his bride, who's the mother of us all, who operate from the new Jerusalem above. It's entirely spiritual. It always has been. And uh, the spirit is who convicts. The spirit is who heals. The spirit teaches us all things. And the spirit is the one Christ promised to leave his apostles not alone. I will send my spirit. And that spirit is synonymous with the spirit of Christ. It's his literal spirit having once been a human being. God with us, the God man king. The God man king spirit is here and it's abiding in all some very very very small amount others much more. And so we are not the church. The church was taken. Let's get rid of that nonsense. We'll stop playing church if we do and we'll move forward. >> All right. How have we done on time? >> We are at 45 minutes. >> Good. These are good, appropriately timed shows. We're going to do the next segment, the next 11 next week. Any final thoughts? >> No. Watch the uh Rashio Christy debate on the Heart of the Matter YouTube channel. >> Yeah. >> If you want. >> All right. >> To see [laughter] >> what we did. >> Thank you. again. [laughter] >> Jeez Louise. Sorry. I am not built for this, guys. All right. Love you all. Thank you. [music] >> [music] >> It down. [music]